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New working hypothesis. If correct, the entire concept of market incentives for privacy needs to be substantially altered. Not that creating such a market is impossible er se, but the belief that disclosure and consumers can "vote with their feet" is provably invalid because the rational consumer -- like the rational car buyer -- must assume that the device is or will become a "privacy lemon" rather than a "privacy creampuff."

Not gonna bother to unpack that unless someone is actually interested. But I need to park it somewhere or two weeks from now I'm going to be looking for the stupid scrap of paper. 

Date: 2018-02-08 11:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dsrtao
... I seem to be misunderstood. Probably my fault.

I don't think that my privacy is protected because of what I do; I think that certain aspects of my privacy are improved because of what I do. My threat model does not encompass state actors or narrowly targeted attacks because, as you say, that is futile.

An attack against Facebook for identity theft purposes that scrapes the fields they provide for birthday and workplace and other vital statistics will not work against me; I've been lying. But an attack against *me* on Facebook will probably work.

When I give an electronic service an email address, it's one that only they have. An attack that compromises their users will be obvious to me.

When I give them passwords, I don't reuse the passwords. They can't leapfrog an attack from "email + password" on site A to site B in an automated way.

My car doesn't have a net connection in it. Should the next car come with one, I shall disable it -- taking away some measure of convenience in exchange for a measure of privacy.

I can't do anything about cellphone companies turning over tower info to the government, but I can avoid installing apps that report locations to third-parties, turn off location information except when I choose to turn it on, and otherwise forego conveniences in exchange for being lost in the masses. Won't work if I am a person of interest, but it reduces my exposure to large-scale attacks.

There's nothing much I can do about Equifax.

And in the meantime, I donate to the EFF and encourage people to be aware of the octopus that has us all in its clutches.

Date: 2018-02-09 02:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dsrtao
Over on the other side of the marketplace, many (but by no means all) companies have started offering bounties on exploitable weaknesses in their systems. The idea is that offering a reasonable amount of above board money is attractive to people who otherwise might take their newly discovered hole and sell it to hostile actors. In addition to the money, there is public recognition, which adds to one's resume and reputation.

There's a big problem: the industry does not generally know how to build secure systems, where secure is minimally defined as "gives only the appropriate information to the right people, and does not give inappropriate information to anyone". There are special cases which may be secure, but most complex systems which make general security claims are not.

We can improve incentives: for instance, a bank could guarantee that no inadvertent disclosure of your information would put you at risk of more than $100 loss in the same way that unauthorized credit card use tops out at $50. But the fact of the matter is that the bank would not have any particular internal assurance that they were doing things correctly.

New salescritters occasionally contact me in my $work capacity, making assurances about how secure their cloud environments are. I ask them if they are willing to indemnify us for the complete value of loss of information, assuming that the loss is their fault. New salescritters are sure something can be worked out, and bring in their lawyers... who need about fifteen seconds to say no, not a chance. So we don't increase our attackable surface, and remain hunkered down trying to do the right thing.

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